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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 10:45:13
Can someone logically explain how buying a GTC injects isk into the system?
I mean the isk is already in game, earned through in game mechanics. And instead of 168 million isk sitting idelly in a wallet they transfer it to someone who does not have the time to grind the isk for a code that allows the 1st player to play for free.
Player 1 has 168 legitmate isk
Player 2 has 0 isk and buys a GTC for $15 CCP and also pays $15 for their sub, (CCP $30)
Player 1 transfer 168 million isk to Player 2
Player 2 now has 168 million isk and 1 month play time
Player 1 -168 million isk but up 1 month play time
So 168 million isk in game stays in game, CCP gets $30 for 2 subs. Everyone but isk sellers are happy.
CCP does not truely make extra money since they are still controlling the game for these 2 additional accounts.
So, I see no isk infusion in this process.
Plaese shed the light for I see no problem what-so-ever!!!
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:00:00 -
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 Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Throwing RL cash to compensate for being a ****ty player seems pretty amusing when all you are buying is a collection of pixels.
Suckers  .
You are not wholely right or wrong, but your statement is a blanket full of holes.
One being that you also pay for those pixels, just not quite as much, o wait yes you do. Do you get paid to work in real life? If so the time that you spend at your computer hunting players down costs money (time = money period). Some people do not have as much time to sit at their computer to grind isk so they buy some GTC's to cover their expenses.
This does not necessarily make them a shottty player. It could mean that they do not spend quite as much time at their computer screen. But it could mean that they are a shottty player. I goes both ways. Just pointing that out.
Also I would suspect that you have quite a few years in game so I hope you would be able to take on and win numerous engagements based on skill.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Willow Whisp
Edited by: Willow Whisp on 09/04/2008 11:30:20
You say
"3.5 million dollars a year."
Like it's supposed to be some significantly large sum. 
So your saying that the board of CCP wouldn't shed a tear if they lost 3.5 million dollars worth of revenue every year?
Do you realize how big a different 3.5 million dollars can make?
If people wants to buy isk using GTC's, so let it be. CCP makes monies, i make isk when i blow these people up and people are able to play without having to pay real life money.
Its good for everybody. 
Beat me to it LaVista.
And in a much more civil manner I should say.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 12:11:24
Originally by: Burnharder
But how does CCP profit from this? When player A buys a game-time card and sells it for ISK to player B, the ISK gets transferred from player B to player A. Player B uses the GTC to pay his subs for a month. CCP make money selling the card to player A, CPP lose the same amount of money when player B uses the card to pay his subs instead of his credit card. The net effect should be ~0. So the cash isn't "flowing into CCPs coffers" in this respect.
With respect to effectively buying ISK with GTC, that's a different issue. I don't see the problem here either. In fact I don't see a problem with an LP store accepting real money for items (micro-payments, "Apoc Five Dorrar!"). But that's just me. If someone wants to spend ú100 a month on his hobby, that's fine. If you have to "Work" game time to earn the same amount, then good for you. I don't purchase and sell GTC, because I've got enough on my plate with a Mortgage, Car and Restaurant bills to pay, but I wouldn't begrudge anyone who wanted to do so. I think in the 80's we used to call it, "the politics of envy". Well, what do you care where the ISK came from?
Ding... As I said above also CCP does not even gain from the sales of GTC's other then by some players being able to still have a sub paid for by someone else. That is it.
CCP's only profit is that each GTC is one extra months sub for them.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:14:00 -
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One more thing the only way that a purchased GTC becomes something more then a normal paid subscription is if one does not get used. IE. The code does not get used so that $15 purchase did not put a toll on the server.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 13:34:44
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 13:31:45
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
-Looking at a game in terms of time=money is one of the most self-serving and utterly stupid things I have ever heard of.
-I have been in game since August 2006. Not very long at all.
I stand by my statement. If you pay anything beyond your sub fee to play this game-you are a sucker.
- I was not looking at it from a view of game time = money
- I was looking at it as TIME period is worth money (self serving maybe)
- If you think otherwise then I am happy for your current state of enlightenment, And I am very serious about this statement (since sarcasm is so very hard to detect I want to be emphatic about the fact that I am serious about that statement).
- But I think you may want to check this outCNN Link About Time is Money. Just a light reading example of what I am talking about.
"What this helps us understand is that as the value of our time rises, we are likely to buy more of it, which explains why people are paying to save time, like having someone to cut the lawn or clean the house."
But calling the worlds smartest and most successfull entrepreneurs (ie, Trump, Murdock, Turner, Gates, Woods,....) stupid is... well you pick the word.
- For anyone that actually spends time playing an online game is more then likely a good bit self serving. Otherwise you would be doing something much more charitable with your time then wasteing money on self gratification. I am guilty of this and I am not standing on a pedastle.
- I said you were probably in game a few years. A few is 3 am I right or am I wrong? I was wrong by a half year though, sorry. And that is 1 year longer then me.
EDIT: By the way I do not buy GTC's for isk. My wallet is quite slim. I do however buy 3 month GTC's to save a few bucks on my monthly sub.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Delichon
Originally by: Kerfira
I can't see anyone loosing out on this, except the RMT ISK farmer (and he can go f... himself)...
There is another category, that loses from this:
The leet Kid, who thinks that inability to grind should make Rich Player inferior to Poor Player who is able to grind.
But, I think he should do the same thing as the RMT ISK farmer 
I thought it was the leet kids that are able to grind the isk, hence the word leet. I am new to online games so I could be in need of a new definition. But I could be misreading or could you have mistyped your statment. Please clarify.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 15:06:54
Originally by: RedClaws
Hi,
I'm a multimillion dollar company owner that has retired and I still make over 100k dollars a month. I certainly don't spend all of that in a month but I try.
I play eve a lot but I don't like the isk gathering part so I simply buy about 5000 dollars of GTC's a month and sell them: 350 gtc's or about 61 bil isk a month.
I continuously buy all the nice officer items on contracts, mess with the market whenever I feel like it and sometimes I donate a titan to my alliance (I think i've donated like 5 now)
So I just fly around in officer fitted faction battleships ganking people in lowsec or when pvping in 0.0 I use a mothership. If I lose it it's not a problem since I got 15 more in my hanger.
I hope I'm not messing up your game too much by letting my alliance own everybody else but then again most of you are in empire mining veldspar for 1 mil isk an hour right?
CCP says it's ok so you can't stop me.
If you are trying to spend 100k per month and having a hard time, and you are already buying $5000 worth of GTC's per month, why do you not start paying for you corp/alliance members game time by buying GTC and distributing them across Dragon's Rage/Intrepid Crossing. I know it is a big alliance but hey you already said you do not always spen the 100K when you try to and if the whole corp and alliance did not have to pay to play or take time to generate isk for GTC's yall may be able to take over 0.0.
Just an idea, but since you were the owner of a multi-million dollar company you will probably find something wrong with my logic, since it admittedly goes astray quit often.
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